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We need higher caps, 2 mil game and PLO

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I enjoy the game, but I was wondering if we'll ever raise the cap on the buy ins.  Right now its capped at 100 big blinds.  So at the 1 mil game, its 5k/10k blinds  (100x10k=1 mil).   I was wondering if we'll ever get the option to buy in for 2 or even 3 mil at the same game.  So if I was to enter a game I could have the option to buy in from 1 mil all the way to say 3 mil.  I'd like this because I could match up with the big stack and win a lot more if I hit the right hand.  Also deep stack is much more fun and interesting in ring games.  Its what's played on TV and streams and Prominence is all about replicating that environment.  To do so we need higher buy in caps, I think that is something that should be easy to implement. 

Also why is there not a 2 mil game.  There is a big gulf between 1 mil and 5 mil.  Every other game has a 2, for example, 10k, 20k, 50k....or 100k, 200k, 500k.  Yet there is no  2 mil game for the million dollar games, why is that?  I like to gradually go up the stakes as I build my bankroll, but 1 to 5 mil is like crossing the Grand Canyon.  So adding a 2 mil game would be awesome.

Also can we eventually add PLO, I'm sure everyone would enjoy this game.  It would add variety and keep people interested in the game. It is the 2nd most popular variant of poker right now.  Its great action and coupled with higher buyins would generate more chip business for you.  So its win win.

Anyhow hope you can add higher caps for buyins, a 2 mil game and PLO.

Thanks.

 

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15 hours ago, DaWiz_ said:

Oh wow, thank you a lot has changed on the forums and game.  For awhile it seemed like the game was abandoned, but its great that the previous ideas mentioned are going to be added.  That's awesome, the roadmap feature.

13 hours ago, Mike Kelly said:

I don't know...

There is now.

Oh wow, that was very fast, thank you for the response.   That is awesome.

P.S.   On the deep stack idea, please do not let people buy in for even less of what they do now.  What makes deep stack special isn't so much the max one can buy in for, but the minimum.  If you let people buy in for half of what they do now, it will be all in all the time.  What's the point of me buyin in for say 3 mil at a 5k/10k when someone just keeps going all in at 500k buy in every time.  I don't want to play tight waiting to win a measly 50 big blinds.  It would kill the skill and kill the game.  It should be raise the minimum buy in or keep it as is, but please do not make it 50, unless the goal is to bring down Prominence Pokers numbers and end the game.

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On 14/04/2018 at 1:06 AM, Squid said:

I enjoy the game, but I was wondering if we'll ever raise the cap on the buy ins. 

 

This would be a bit pointless and not something I'd be in favor of. 

If the cap was raised to say... 300xBB max buy in, then everyone (or at least most people) would buy in for the max. You could/would still have players already seated who have built up to maybe, 500xBB or 600xxBB or whatever, so you're still in the same scenario.

 

I welcome the addition of the $2m tables! 

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On 5/14/2018 at 5:52 AM, Zanatoo said:

This would be a bit pointless and not something I'd be in favor of. 

If the cap was raised to say... 300xBB max buy in, then everyone (or at least most people) would buy in for the max. You could/would still have players already seated who have built up to maybe, 500xBB or 600xxBB or whatever, so you're still in the same scenario.

 

I welcome the addition of the $2m tables! 

The difference is that everybody is deep stacked, there will always be a big winner with the biggest stack at any table.  The difference is we have more room for postflop play as the stacks are deeper, in fact implied odds comes into effect with deep stack than any other format.  For those that don't know implied odds is "Its not how much I can win now, but that I can win the rest of the guys stack if I hit my draw."

I believe deep stack play is the truest form of the game, and requires the most skill.  You have to play all streets of play, preflop, flop, turn and river.  You'll see common types of Prominence Players who will have to adjust their mistakes.

1.  The 10x preflop raiser, the person who raises absurd amounts preflop.  They will find out that with deep stacks people have room to call and see a flop and win a huge pot.  The better option people will pick will to be to 3 bet them preflop.  After awhile the 10x raisers will find they are bleeding massive amounts of chips and realize why people tend to open for 3x.

2. The over value top pair players.  These guys think top pair is the nuts and will pot raise it all the way through, part of it is they over value their hand, the other is draw phobia.  In deep stack they will find that they are creating huge implied odds for players with their draws, but also they will get called or popped back by strong made hands like two pairs or sets.   These guys will have to learn to check one of the streets and keep the pot small with just top pair.

3.  The open preflop shovers,  these guys don't mind gambling 100 big blinds a pop (even more reason NOT to make it 50 big blinds minimum), but they will soon find loosing 200 big blinds or more will suck.  Either you get called by very strong hands, or if you have a strong hand like AA or KK all you win is the blinds.

4.  People will also have to get better at their 3 bet/4bet game preflop.  The best defense against 3 betters is a deep stack, as you can flat some of your hands and play postflop, you can also fold a certain % of your hand range, and then pop them back with a 4 bet with value hands and some bluffs.  This will make the game more fun and nuanced.

Anyhow just a few examples of how people will have to adjust their game if they add deep stack.  I truly believe people will love this format once they play it, its the format seen on poker tv shows years ago, like Poker After Dark or High stakes poker, or the streams of today's games.  Its also whats seen in live games at casinos and home games.  Prominence Poker goal is to recreate that feel, but they missed the most important fundamental and that is deep stack.  I can even offer a suggestion of how the menu would look like

1. Stakes 5k/10k (blinds)

2. Buy in (Players pick 1-4 mil)

3. Public-Private

4. Venue (if you're starting game)

I really believe adding deep stack will make the game more fun and enjoyable, and also improve Prominence Pokers bottom line.

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On 5/16/2018 at 5:04 AM, Zanatoo said:

It would be interesting to see if you are right. 

Once people get to play deep stack they'll see how much more exciting and skillful it is.  I really don't know why it hasn't been added already.  I don't know if its hard to code the ability to allow players to buy in deep and rebuy deep.  The only values being changed is the buy in.  But then again I'm not a programmer, for all I know it can be more complicated than we think.  Anyhow one post said maybe end of the year, so we'll see if they add it then.  I hope so, as 100bb poker is stale at times.

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23 minutes ago, Squid said:

Once people get to play deep stack they'll see how much more exciting and skillful it is.  I really don't know why it hasn't been added already.  I don't know if its hard to code the ability to allow players to buy in deep and rebuy deep.  The only values being changed is the buy in.  But then again I'm not a programmer, for all I know it can be more complicated than we think.  Anyhow one post said maybe end of the year, so we'll see if they add it then.  I hope so, as 100bb poker is stale at times.

I think increasing the overall size of the buy-ins and amounts of chips played, is an evolutionary thing.   When PP was first introduced, everyone had less than 1 mil in chips, and there wasn't the player base to justify high stake games.  As PP has matured there has been a progression of increases in these higher stake games.  I'm sure that PP is monitoring the participation at the various levels and will adjust the levels of play when it is justified.

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Its been nearly a year since deep stack was requested and nothing has been done.  I get that overall this game has been forgotten.  But really, is it that hard to have a deep stack section to ring games?!  I mean its 2019 and not 2009, holdem has evolved from 100 big blind stacks to deep stack poker, where minimum buy in is usually 250 big blinds.

I'll make it real simple for those who don't get deep stack.

On prominence the 5k/10k blinds are for the 1 million game, because 10k x100=1million chips (what you buy in for). 

Here is deep stack poker,  Again blinds are :

5k/10k

1 mil buy in is what we have now (10k x100)

2.5 mil buy in is 250 big blinds (10k x250)

3 mil buy in is 300 big blinds (10k x 300)

4 mil buy in is 400 big blinds (10k x400)

I think a deep stack section should have a minimum buy in of 2.5 mil on 5k/10k and you could cap it at 400 big blind buy in if  someone wants to buy in that deep.   So yeah doesn't matter if its 5k/10k or 10k/20k or 25k/50k blinds, all that matters is we can buy in for 250-400 big bilnds.   I don't think its hard to do and would bring Prominence Poker to modern poker standards with regards to ring games and the buy ins.

I so wish we'd get this feature, would really be a shot in the arm for this game!

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