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Ring Game Buy-in Ranges

Ring Game Buy-in Ranges  

8 members have voted

  1. 1. Do you want this feature?

  2. 2. What should the maximum chips be as a multiple of the base buy-in amount?

  3. 3. What should the minimum chips be as a multiple of the base buy-in amount?



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Status: Design
ETA: None

We're considering this new feature.  Please give us your feedback by responding to the poll above.

Ring games currently have a fixed buy-in.  When you join or rebuy, you bring a fixed number of chips to the table.  We're thinking of allowing you to bring 2x, 3x, or maybe as much as 4x the number of chips when you join or rebuy.

For example, a 1000 buy-in table would allow you to bring 1000, 2000, 3000, or possibly 4000 chips when you join or rebuy.

The blinds would remain the same, defined by the base buy-in for the table (5/10 for a 1000 table).

We could also allow you to bring 1/2 the base amount, eg. 500 for a 1000 table.

As always, comments and suggestions are welcome.

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I think up to x2 or x3 would be fine - it won't really change the way most treat ring games as a glorified round of bingo but when it comes to down to basics, I think what needs to be re-worked are the blinds. If someone joins in the middle of a hand, they should be required to either post in advance or wait - as it stands within the game now, if the seat to your right is vacant and someone joins in the middle of the hand when you're the BB, you get sucked into being the BB twice in a row. That isn't how actual games work in casinos and poker rooms - within the current set-up, people can easily take advantage and skip their blinds entirely. 

Also, will there ever be more than six players max at a table? I realise the venues aren't constructed to allow more seats, but nine or ten player ring games and tournaments would be a much welcomed addition.

Cheers!

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1 hour ago, -LN- said:

I think up to x2 or x3 would be fine - it won't really change the way most treat ring games as a glorified round of bingo but when it comes to down to basics, I think what needs to be re-worked are the blinds. If someone joins in the middle of a hand, they should be required to either post in advance or wait - as it stands within the game now, if the seat to your right is vacant and someone joins in the middle of the hand when you're the BB, you get sucked into being the BB twice in a row. That isn't how actual games work in casinos and poker rooms - within the current set-up, people can easily take advantage and skip their blinds entirely.

That will be fixed in the May update.

1 hour ago, -LN- said:

Also, will there ever be more than six players max at a table? I realise the venues aren't constructed to allow more seats, but nine or ten player ring games and tournaments would be a much welcomed addition.

As you said, that would require expensive art changes.  It's a matter of convincing 505 to spend the money.  We've been trying to convince them to make new venues - if that happens, we'll make sure the new venues support larger tables.

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Oh my, I am really excited that it seems you guys are going to add deep stack to the ring games.  I believe this will make the games better.  I always notice the pattern in ring games, usually some one comes in shoving all in.  But once they double up or triple up they get really conservative, they value their chip stack a heck of a lot more.

I think having the minimum buy in at 150 big blinds is great, it would be harder to just come in and keep shoving, and if they do they will go broke faster and learn to actually play with some post flop skill.  Also having deeper stacks means the river becomes more of an important street than it is now, as check raise shoves and all ins will really put people to the test.  As it is now the turn is where most of the decisions are made, as its where most people shove. 

Deep stack also emphasizes more postflop play and pot control, also balancing ones betting lines and value ranges.  I really hope this feature is added, if not it will feel like parents teasing their kids they got them a awesome toy, only to say "oops sorry, here is a sweater instead."

P.S.   Please DO NOT let people buy in for less than 100 big blinds.  One post suggested letting them buy in for half of what they do now.  If you let people buy in for 50 big blinds it will be allin, all the time.  If they don't value 100 big blinds as is, they will value 50 even less.  They will come into a room with what would be twice the number of buy ins and figure "I can go all in 100 times in a row, lets just shove and see what happens."  Their goal would be to have everyone go all in and try to double or win 6 stacks at once.  Then leave with profit and then come right back in (still haven't fixed the issue of people leaving with profit and coming right back in for minimum, they need to sit down with their profit if coming back right away to same exact table).

So yeah doesn't matter if we can buy in deep if some poker terrorist decides to buy in super small at 50 big blinds and just shove all the time and then leave when they win.  There would be no more game and people would stop playing your game.  I know one of your competitors (they are big and start with a Z) allows people to only buy in for 10 big blinds.  Well the bots and regular people figured that out and that is all most buy in at, and they are now wondering why their numbers are down. 

So yes add deep stack and make the minimum 150 big blinds, but do not let people buy in for half of what they do now, it would destroy the game.

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Forgot a key point
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Is there any update to this idea?  On the ETA it says none.  I know the community would love this once given the option to use it.  Its hard to recreate the feel of games being streamed on the internet when we're still in the poker dark ages of 100 big blinds max.   I think its ok if you keep the minimum buy in at 100 big blinds, but please don't make it 50.  I would hate to see the game become "Prominence Bingo"  where the only goal is to shove your 50 big blinds all in, all the time.  The general rule is, the deeper the stacks the more skill you should play with, because the mistakes are bigger and more magnified in deep stack, but then again the rewards are bigger too. 

Anyhow I hope you add this feature, or at least let us know a possible ETA, like Christmas, or "Never, we are Poker Scrooges, Poker Christmas Denied! :P

Thanks

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On 5/3/2018 at 11:39 AM, The Mayor said:

Maybe around the end of the year, but no official ETA yet.

Thanks for the reply.  I hope its put in.   But please no 50 big blind buy ins.  The goal of deep stack is to not have any short stacks ruining the game.

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