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I think it's time for a report button feature for the table. So we can start reporting these cheats, who are colluding with each other as clear as day. You expect people to spend large amounts of money on your fake chips, but you don't have any deterrent for cheaters.  This is a PS4 issue and needs sorted before people start demanding refunds. 

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I know where your coming from here, it seems worse on the weekends with players on their headsets talking back and forth about how they are going to team up on everybody and dump chips off to each after everyone else folds ect.  Why people do this on a free poker game is beyond me.

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This is one of many reasons I have lost interest in this game. It's very simple to fix yet it hasn't been done. 

I have sat in party chat myself...with 3 others and isolated people for hours. Ending up with about 7 mil to split. After sending multiple messages and getting no response...or hearing from people who talk to devs on FaceSpace...only to hear that there's nothing they can do and party chats are apart of poker...????...total lie !!!! 

Several groups still do this everyday and benefit tremendously. To me it's truly stupid...yet I had to do it once to see how effective it is. I have since just gave back my bankroll to my friends. 

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Yeah, nothing can kill a poker game quicker then collusion at the tables.  I'm not even playing descent at the moment so when I run into this  sort of thing now I just leave the table.  

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This primarily occurs on high stake ringgames I assume? 

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31 minutes ago, HyricanDR said:

This primarily occurs on high stake ringgames I assume? 

$200k  $500k and $1M 

They will usually just chase the bankroll. "Hey Joe blow is on 500k let's go" . Then wait til they get 3 or 4 on that table and go. Or just start a table and fold around til others join. 

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It's not just a PS4 problem.  I've encountered it on Xbox as well.  You'd think they'd at least try to be less obvious.  There is a French couple I run into routinely on the ranked tournaments who pass each other money as often as they can get away with it.

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I agree that collusion is wrong and is not good for the game.  But at the same time I would hate for voice and party chat to be removed from the game due to a small % of the community.

I have buddies I party chat with while playing, but we're usually talking about all sorts of topics like Mandela effects, Planet X, and whether we are all just part of some computer simulation and reality isn't really real.  Most of the people I have met are from the UK and really cool and I've learned some interesting UK slang.  My point is that poker is a social game and meeting new people and having interesting conversations is a big draw to playing the game, especially if you've been card dead the last 15 hands in a row.

When I play I tell buddies there will be no mercy, if I can take their stacks I will and I won't tell them what I have.  I'm there to win, friend or foe.  I know there are colluders out there and that sucks.  But I would hate to see voice chat removed from the game due to a % of the population.

How does one stop colluding without taking away the social aspect of holdem?  I think removing the social aspect of the game would hurt it more than the people who are colluding.

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Agreed.  The French girl has beaten me once when she got lucky with weaker cards three hands in a row to win.  The French guy has never beaten me.  So obviously they're bad at poker and colluding.

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3 hours ago, Squid said:

I agree that collusion is wrong and is not good for the game.  But at the same time I would hate for voice and party chat to be removed from the game due to a small % of the community.

I have buddies I party chat with while playing, but we're usually talking about all sorts of topics like Mandela effects, Planet X, and whether we are all just part of some computer simulation and reality isn't really real.  Most of the people I have met are from the UK and really cool and I've learned some interesting UK slang.  My point is that poker is a social game and meeting new people and having interesting conversations is a big draw to playing the game, especially if you've been card dead the last 15 hands in a row.

When I play I tell buddies there will be no mercy, if I can take their stacks I will and I won't tell them what I have.  I'm there to win, friend or foe.  I know there are colluders out there and that sucks.  But I would hate to see voice chat removed from the game due to a % of the population.

How does one stop colluding without taking away the social aspect of holdem?  I think removing the social aspect of the game would hurt it more than the people who are colluding.

If you remove party chat...you would still have table chat available to socialize. I can't see the need for party chat at a poker table. Try to talk on your cell phone at a casino...just an example of your statement about bs'ing with friends about other things. 

Poker has rules....written or common edicate. But when playing a poker game that's cards are based on patterns....party chat makes it an unfair advantage. 

No need for party chat. Heck....if they don't remove it soon....ALOT of people will start exploiting it even more. 

 

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I play almost exclusively in 500K and 1M ring games most nights on PS4 and I've never come across this, or at least not that I've noticed anyway. I've heard a few accusations of it but usually by people who have suffered a big loss and are venting. To be effective at colluding requires quite a high poker skill level. Something that's quite rare on PP. If you were good at poker, and good at colluding why on earth would you be doing it for pretend money when you could just as easily be doing it for real money? 

Anyone got any video of colluding in action?

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9 hours ago, Dirtydiesel856 said:

If you remove party chat...you would still have table chat available to socialize. I can't see the need for party chat at a poker table. Try to talk on your cell phone at a casino...

What I thought too. You can socialize if you leave the games voicecom intact and only block the consoles background features like other games do with screenshot/video during cutscenes and the like.

Problem 1 ) Can devs even do that with partyfeatures?  Ive only seen screen/videoblocks. If it cant be done the debate is moot xD

problem 2) You cant talk to anyone not on your table

problem 3) Lots of gossip and mute-needs if you dont want that

problem 4) They could annoy every1 to mute them then do it. But its still something 

problem 5) How good is your french? :P

Like zan ive never run into any real trouble (Mainly play no-bankroll so obviously there might be more incentive in high stake ring which is why i asked) besides sometimes thinking two avatars are one player or friends (You know, check check check each other NEVER a bet but agressive towards others, huge preflop as smallstack other dude folds his blind a bit more than once, both pretty much exactly level 23 or 273, etc), which only really bothers me if one of those avatars throws ->sitout<- in the mix while the other checks him and battles me. Thats annoying on so many levels, most of all losing time if nothing else

As for why do it here and not for real money: theyre probably not all that good at it ;)

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10 hours ago, Zanatoo said:

I play almost exclusively in 500K and 1M ring games most nights on PS4 and I've never come across this, or at least not that I've noticed anyway. I've heard a few accusations of it but usually by people who have suffered a big loss and are venting. To be effective at colluding requires quite a high poker skill level. Something that's quite rare on PP. If you were good at poker, and good at colluding why on earth would you be doing it for pretend money when you could just as easily be doing it for real money? 

Anyone got any video of colluding in action?

You don't see it because you probably play with the same crowd like most others do. I play with the same crowd too and only see this when solo. 

 

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It seems that no one cares about this going on. Fine by me. I only started a similar thread to warn and maybe try to have it removed. By the sounds of what I'm hearing.. complete silence from devs.....its completely acceptable and encouraged.  

Let the games begin lol

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37 minutes ago, Dirtydiesel856 said:

complete silence from devs.....its completely acceptable and encouraged.  

That's a very unfair comment. 

If it is taking place (and I expect it probably is from time to time to a tiny extent) it is EXTREMELY difficult for the devs to A, prove it and B, do anything about it, just like on real money sites and in live casino's. Collusion is something that will always happen in poker and it's very difficult to detect/stop. The devs have absolutely no control over the Party feature on consoles and nor should they have! It's completely independent from games/apps. 

Have you reported players to Support or only brought it to their attention here on the forum? The first step to combating it would be to record it and then report it to support with as much detail as possible, names, times, stakes, platform, etc. I'm sure the devs would be happy to investigate if they actually had any evidence to go on. 

  

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6 minutes ago, Zanatoo said:

The devs have absolutely no control over the Party feature on consoles and nor should they have! It's completely independent from games/apps.

  

I think so too, but do you have a source for me? :)

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They can't do it, trust me. SONY are not going to allow developers disable one of the main features of their console for any reason. Games can not control any PS4/PSN setting outside of the game itself.

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Hmmm im like 99.999999999% sure (never say never lol) there were parts in games that would tell me "you cannot record a video now" oO

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1 hour ago, Zanatoo said:

They can't do it, trust me. SONY are not going to allow developers disable one of the main features of their console for any reason. Games can not control any PS4/PSN setting outside of the game itself.

Actually that's not true. There's a free mech game called HAWKEN that won't let you play if you're in a party with people who are not playing the same game. 

Basically, your party all needs to be in HAWKEN and playing with you. 

Now, that's a different scenario, but the point is that sony does allow developers to disable features based on PSN parties. 

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3 hours ago, Dirtydiesel856 said:

You don't see it because you probably play with the same crowd like most others do. I play with the same crowd too and only see this when solo. 

 

This is probably the case with most folks thus far.  The only reason I'm dropping down to 50k ring is because I have lost about 570k over the last week or so, and since I only bring about 20 percent of my bankroll to a ring game, that is where I'm going to be at until I catch some breaks again.  Keep in my mind that my losses have not been due to collusion,  just flat out rotten luck as far as I know.  I don't have hardly any friends that even like poker much less play PP so most everything I do in this game I'm by myself.  

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13 minutes ago, Blaze-Nine said:

 the point is that sony does allow developers to disable features based on PSN parties. 

They're not disabling anything. Hawken will ONLY let a party host start the game and then they can only invite other players who are also in the same party, or something like that. The game still has no control over the party, only the game. So I stand by my original post.

If prominence disabled the ability to party chat (they can't, but if they could) while playing they would lose an awful lot of users including yours truly as I spend most nights in party (with friends who are not on Prominence).   

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Posted (edited)

Edit nevermind

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Am I missing something??  When I select a persons Gamertag there is an option to report that person.  At the very least, write down their name and send a PM to the staff within this forum.

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6 hours ago, Dirtydiesel856 said:

It seems that no one cares about this going on. Fine by me. I only started a similar thread to warn and maybe try to have it removed. By the sounds of what I'm hearing.. complete silence from devs.....its completely acceptable and encouraged.  

Let the games begin lol

Nah, you're just far from the first person to mention it, and I can only point out that telephones exist so many times before it starts sounding redundant.

Here's the thing: We could remove party chat (which would upset a lot of people), we could start banning people at even the slightest hint of collusion (again, lots of people getting upset), but none of it would have any real impact because telephones exist. If two players want to coordinate their actions via phone (or Skype, or IM, or any of the hundreds of other communications platforms we have no control over), we've got no way to stop them. Being more draconian guarantees that we'll upset some people, with no guarantee it would have any impact on people colluding with one another.

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6 hours ago, Nex said:

Nah, you're just far from the first person to mention it, and I can only point out that telephones exist so many times before it starts sounding redundant.

Here's the thing: We could remove party chat (which would upset a lot of people), we could start banning people at even the slightest hint of collusion (again, lots of people getting upset), but none of it would have any real impact because telephones exist. If two players want to coordinate their actions via phone (or Skype, or IM, or any of the hundreds of other communications platforms we have no control over), we've got no way to stop them. Being more draconian guarantees that we'll upset some people, with no guarantee it would have any impact on people colluding with one another.

If that's the answer you want to give then...ok.  I would seen disabling party chat as a step in the right direction as opposed to not taking any steps. But....hey....i don't have a dog in this fight anymore. 

 

 

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